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Hi Fred,

I thought that using damaged wood was a good idea too but a fellow that used to belong to our old group was a treeman and he said that harvesting the downed lumber or damaged trees, unless done without machinery, would cause major damage to forests and that decomposing lumber fertilizes the forest floor so some of it would have to be left in place.
Can we really trust lumber co's to do the right thing?
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trust the forestry industry ?? emoticon Not so sure about that, if we consider the Indonesian, Amazonian or Canadian examples..

The problem is not just the companies. Even WORSE are the rapacious governments in the pocket ("chien de poche") of the rapacious megacorporations. By setting the overall rules of the game, our rapacious governments have permitted, even ecouraged, a botched / unsustainable mode of technological and economic development planet wide..

Look at British Columbia, for example, to get a feeling for the EXTENT of the problem. The photos below are of PINE trees (not deciduous trees whose leaves change color in the autumn).

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/images/Jul1-8_roll1_Newfade.jpg

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/images/Jul1-8_roll1_Williams_Lake_MPB1.jpg

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/images/Jul22_North_from_Red_Plateau.jpg

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/images/Jul8_roll5_Quesnel_PrinceGeorge_boundary4.jpg

In the above photo, compare the strips of normal green pine forest growth !!

Below, a beautiful aerial photo. PROBLEM: pine forests are not supposed to change color like this!

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/images/Jul8_roll6_Quesnel_MPB3.jpg
 
http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/images/redforst.jpg

Once again, pretty, but the colors are all wrong (photo below)..

http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/mountain_pine_beetle/images/pgfr_52.jpg

In Québec, the forestry industry policy is described as "un échec" (a defeat, disaster). One industry logging towns are created, scrap the local forest in a few decades, roads are then extended north to the next patch of exploitable forest.. Now the countryside is depopulating (lack of jobs) and the supply lines to the remaining forests are becoming too long to be profitable. The forestry industry itself - due to its unsustainable exploitation - is now on the skids..

No, I think I will take a pass on trusting the forestry companies.. emoticon
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Hi Fred,

I thought that using damaged wood was a good idea too but a fellow that used to belong to our old group was a treeman and he said that harvesting the downed lumber or damaged trees, unless done without machinery, would cause major damage to forests and that decomposing lumber fertilizes the forest floor so some of it would have to be left in place.
Can we really trust lumber co's to do the right thing?



    It is already being done in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Washington and Oregon(that I know of).

     I haven't heard of any environental damage---unless maybe run off from soil distrubance. Use oversize tires and treads on you machinery to minimize soil disturbance. I don't see any reason why it would be any different than logging a virgin forest.

   The left over ash and char from the F-T process can be ground up, mixed with water and sprayed onto the forest floor. It is the same thing that happens to organic matter after a fire anyway. Gardeners have been putting ashes from fireplaces on their gardens to fertilize them for centuries---there is no reason we cann't continue to do that, just make fuel to burn in our vehicles.

   It isn't a matter of "trusting" coporations to do the right thing. It is more a matter of making them do the right thing. Royalties from logging rights should include enough money to pay for replanting. We need to watch politicians who want to give away resources(such as mineral and logging rights) at nearly free or bargain basement prices to supporters who give them money. I'll fix it so that you get millions of $$$ practically for free and them you give me some of the money. Then we can get media attention that we are "creating" jobs and "progress". I'll write a bill so that we'll lease you the land to do whatever you want to with----then when the resources are gone, you can just walk off and the taxpayers will pay for any clean up that has to be done, and we can even get the taxpayers to pay to build roads so you can get in and out to take away the wealth.

     No wonder the coporations like the deals. I'd like a deal like that too.



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The idea is fine, Fred. Getting the politicans to do the right thing is the problem. Under present circumstances I dont think we can trust them. The BLM has given the forests away so far. I dont expect anything to change.

I just returned from a month long visit to the north. I traveled up the coast from Florida to Maryland and then on to Michigan. I noticed the dying pine trees in Michigan. I didnt connect it to pine beetles but they could very well be the culprit. Elms have been almost entirely wiped out in Mich. Even in MD I noticed many of the decidious trees dying but I dont know the cause.
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Indias weather office reported that monsoon rains for the past week were 64 percent below average.
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http://www.runboard.com/benvirows.f3.t249|pleasedo=followup

An internal link. Worth reading as it shows how utterly DEVASTATING just a "few" degrees rise in temperature, drop in percipitation, etc can be when it disrupts an already marginal ecosystem in a negative fashion.
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fwd from Frank
 
       Real heavy weather around Toronto, Ontario. Force two tornados are "extremely rare" in Canada. Three so far this year. Due to climate change? Could be. These are the hidden costs of GW, my friends: hundreds of millions of $ of damage done. In one town 600 houses damaged! 200 will have to be torn down. Them's some "hidden costs" !!

http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourbeststuff/2009/08/your_photos_severe_ontario_sto.html
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---------"In Québec, the forestry industry policy is described as "un échec" (a defeat, disaster). "----------

   What you describe Frank is just a continuation of 19th thinking. Plunder the earth in the name of taking whatever you can, without replacing anything---just move on and plunder some more.

   The fact is, so long as we replant what we harvest---we'll always have forests. If we replant more than we harvest---we end up with more forests than we started with. We can use nature to supply every need that we have, and as long as we take care of nature---nature will take care of us.

   What does it take to get people to see that? It doesn't seem like such a difficult idea to comprehend---but appearantly for most people it is.

  
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Athens is burning again. take a look at this timeline of forest fires for the past century in Athens

History of Forest Fires in Athens

Hey, this site is pretty neat. You can check out the fire history of most everywhere. The provide a neat 100 year graph.

This ones for California


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H Fred,
 
     Actually the rape and pillage goes back a good 5 centuries emoticon

     "In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue" - to do what exactly?

      To plunder the planet's wealth in order to provide the $$$ for a world wide mission to convert all of humanity to the "One True Religion" (his). This would speed up the fufillment of "God's Will" and hasten the Last Judgement (and thus the destruction of the world, at least as we know it).
 
      In some ways, at least, Ol' Chris succeeded..

      It is hard for people to see what to you is obvious. True, but this should not be a surprise..
 
      In part the problem is probably hard-wired into our nervous system (4 Gyears of Darwinian Evolution at work). But being mammals even a lot of our hard wired circuitry turns out to be polyfunctional and surprisingly adaptable..

      In part the problem is cultural: the "patriarchal mode" of culture is designed around the themes of domination, exploitation, hierarchy, specialization, top down control.. This will have to change if we are to survive at population levels and technological levels of sophistication comparable to what we have today.

      In any case, it is stressful as hell to change your fundamental "Road Map of Reality", your world-view. This stress is called "cognitive dissonance" - you can google the term to get references: there is "dissonance" between signals received from the environment and our internal Road Map of Reality. To avoid this stress, people deny the "dissonant" information as long as possible:

- You can kill the bearer of bad news (the Romans actually put this into practice: one could legally kill the slave that delivered bad tidings to ones door). emoticon

- Another way of releasing the inner tension between dissonant environmental information and our inner Road Map: scapegoating. Scapegoating, animal experimentation has shown, releases tension in a stressful situation: less ulcers, less cardiovascular disease, less kidney or pancreas or other endinocral gland failure, etc. Scapegoating also, for the human, possess political utility: when crops failed in Slavic countries, pogroms flared deflecting anger, fear, misery and desperation from the ruling nobles and clergy..

- Then of course there are pscyhotropes, legal and illegal.

- Extreme sports and stunts which provide a type of "transcendant" or "rewarding" experience, most likely by manipulating brain neurotransmitter secretion levels: dopine is considered a prime candidate from animal and human experiments.

- Religious and political cult craziness (promising some kind of - usually - illusory Transcendance or Liberation from the intolerable hell state one is living...)
 
- Finally, our darling "entertainments", "diversions" and spectator sports (shades of the Roman ampitheaters!): dumb 'em down, the better to screw 'em..
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